Ken. I have just read your message. I live close to all the villages you mention so will see if I can find the MI's. I am due to go to the local fhs for myself and Marlene but can't say exactly when. I will let you know when I have anything.
Marlene. I am going to make the effort and go to the fhs this coming week to look for some MI's . I have found that sometimes they provide much information. My own side of the family didn't have many headstones due to the cost, but my husband's did.
Thorne has more than one graveyard/cemetery. We were looking for any of my hubby's ancestors at the time but he was strangely 'drawn' to one particular old graveyard. As I methodically checked the stones, he just marched to one particular area. He found 3 stones for his ancestors, all providing lots of information, but one in particular stood out. The top of it had a ship's wheel engraved and said the following:-
'In loving rememberance of George Webster, Shipwright, who died Jan 1st 1861 aged 28 years, interred at Grimsby. Also of Ann, his beloved wife, latterly the wife of John Shircliff of Thorne, who died Nov 7th 1890 aged 62 years...also of the above named John Shircliff who died Oct 5th 1896 aged 69 years'.
So from this inscription, we found that George had been buried at Grimsby (approx 50 miles away) although he was mentioned on this stone at Thorne (where he was born); his widow's date of death, and the name, and date of death, of her second husband!
This was really helpful, as you can imagine! However, when we sent for George's death certificate it said that the cause of death, on New Year's Day, was as a result of falling into the dry dock at Grimsby! Poor man, we presumed that he must have been out celebrating the night before on New Year's Eve! On checking through old newspapers at Grimsby library, we found that he had in fact fallen into the dry dock whilst at work there a few weeks before. He had landed on his head and had blead to death over a period of weeks! The newspaper report was very detailed, and we both felt extremely guilty for thinking that he must have been drunk!
I hope I don't get into bother for this long message!
Bye for now. Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
Marlene. I have just been checking your messages. You said on the 12 January (reply 26) that your goal was to find John Aspinall snr's parentage. Do you have a copy of the certificate for his marriage to Ann Dodson/Dodgson on the 14/4/1800? This would show their own father's names.
Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
Marlene. I have just been checking your messages. You said on the 12 January (reply 26) that your goal was to find John Aspinall snr's parentage. Do you have a copy of the certificate for his marriage to Ann Dodson/Dodgson on the 14/4/1800? This would show their own father's names.
Heather
Hi Heather, No, it's on my ever growing "to do" list! I have found 2 descendants of John & Ann (nee Dodson) ASPINALL, one in U.S.A. and the other in Australia (descended from my 3x great grandfather John junior Aspinall who was transported there in 1834). All 3 of us are trying to determine the parentage of John Aspinall who livd in Doncaster at the Dusty Miller pub. I suspect that the surname is more Lancashire than Yorkshire but, I cannot find where John came from before he married Ann Dodson. I have information about Ann so it's John Aspinall who's the mystery. From information I have from these other researchers John Aspinall was born abt.1780 and died in Doncaster 1839. Their children George, Mary,John,James,William & Godfrey were all Baptised in Bentley, Doncaster. I suppose it's a case of where to go from here but, as you suggest, the marriage entry could provide clues do you think? Regards, Marlene
Marlene. I have just returned from the fhs. It's so engrossing, I didn't realize what time it was! I have checked burials, marriages and information on local pubs. Luckily, the archives are in the same building as the fhs, so I had a look there aswell. I will have to make a return visit though to check baptisms. Whenever I saw the name Aspinall, I wrote down the info -maybe some of it does not relate to your family, so you will have to decide what is relevant.
With regard to John Aspinall snr's burial, I looked on the microfilm/fiche for April and May 1839, but it was sadly unreadable, possibly due to age. I will look again when I go back.
In the burial records for Hyde Park cemetery I found that Ann Aspinall died on the 19/4/1867 and was buried on 21/4/1867 in grave I479. She was 84 years old, lived at Marshgate, Doncaster, and was the widow of John Aspinall, a Fellow Chandler (?). I have a plan of the cemetery.
In total there are 8 entries for burials at Hyde Park under the name Aspinall so I have that info if you want it. Incidentally, I note you said someone went to Oz, well one entry mentions an Alfred Aspinall. He died on the 8 July 1923 in Melbourne, Australia aged 64 years, but is mentioned here.
It was difficult finding John's marriage to Ann Dodgson, but whilst looking I found these:-
George ASPINALL to Elizabeth SHILLITO 23/11/1826 at Doncaster. Godfrey ASPINALL to Mary A OXLEY 9/Sep/1828 at Doncaster. James ASPINALL to Elizabeth GREAVES 22/10/1827 at Doncaster. John ASPINALL to Elizabeth GREAVES 1/10/1827 at Doncaster.
Yes, I had to check the last two entries a couple of times, but that is how they appear.
At the archives, the entry only said that John Aspinall was publican at the Dusty Miller, Marshgate, Doncaster in 1827, so I didn't learn any more. When I asked for suggestions, a lady there said I could check the surname index for Doncaster. I found 7 different entries which are quite interesting. Let me know if you want them
I'm sure the marriage certificate for John ASPINALL(?) and Ann DODGSON will show the names and occupations of their respective father's. Have you not sent for it?
I couldn't find if anyone else is buried with Ann in I479. I can check with Rosehill Crematorium again to see if they have this information.
Bye for now. I will check with you again later this evening.
Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
Just jumping in again ... I was told by other people that in Cantley cemetery there is no stone for Henry Stephenson ... but burial records confirm that he is buried there. Henry had 4 daughters ... Alice / Elizabeth / Eleanor / Harriet ... and a son Thomas (that I believe died at the South Yorkshire Asylum in 1913) Alice married an Alfred Toothill / Elizabeth a Charles Lee and Eleanor an Isaac Lake. In an old letter (1985) that a distant conection sent me I have this info .... " I visited Cantley Churchyard .... Grama (Alice Toothill) & Elizabeth Lee were buried there. The old grave stones of the Hills & Stephensons have been removed for easier mowing of the grass. The only one remaining is a tomb-like type, for William Carter. Its close to the Church Wall & Vestry door." My Henry Stephenson married a Mary Ann Hill at Doncaster 1840 ... my same connection also told me the Hill family had been at Cantley Mill
Hi Heather, That's a lot of information to take in there, you have been busy! I can see from the Aspinall marriages which you found in Doncaster that they are the children of John & Ann Aspinall. I'll print off the post and peruse it later when I can look at it alongside my (paper!) information. I've not yet compiled an actual tree as I'm still collating information and I'm a bit belt & braces when it comes to accepting what I read. I'll be back! Regards, Marlene
KEN. Your'e not jumping in, you started the topic! Anyway, I have made one visit to the fhs today and am going again in a few days time. There is lots of info there which sadly (for you) isn't on the internet.
Cantley itself isn't far from me, but I think the actual cemetery is at Rosehill alongside the crematorium. I discovered a few years ago that my brother's twin was buried there after he died at the ripe old age of 11 days! He isn't in a grave of his own, or with family, but with other babies who died around the same time.
I will post you a reply with whatever info I can find.
Bye for now. Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
Going back in time, from Henry ... all my Stephensons seem to be found in the St George records at Doncaster ... back as far as a William Stephenson, Coachmaker who died Doncaster 1806, 50 yrs old (wife Susannah Laurence . lawrance) he had sons Robert (wife: Ann Moody) died Doncaster Jan 21 1820 age: 39 / William (wife Alice Carter) died Doncaster June 29 1820, age: 37 / and John (wife Jane Hague) bapted Doncaster Aug 15 1784 ... not sure when died. Along with daughters Ann / Nancy / Elizabeth / Mary Ann / Harriott ... plus another John, who died as a child in Jan 1785 For my John and wife Jane ... I have an address from the census ... as Factory Lane Doncaster
Marlene. I will let you have the other info when you are ready.
My history is all in note books and I have quite a few certificates. One of my (many) New Year's resolutions is to draw up a tree to make it easier to follow, and to put the certs in sleeves. Don't hold your breath though!
I will check later.
Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
You can actually see Cantley Church (and the grave stones around it in the church-yard) quite nicely on Google Earth ... just go to Bessacarr ... east of Doncaster ... find Cantley Ln ... and moving away from Doncaster ... before you get to the round-about at School Ln ... about 2 main streets back ... you will see Church Ln .. go to the right ... up to next corner ... Walla ... Cantley Church. I have never been there ... but hay ... I have Google Earth
Ken. The cemetery and crematorium are called Rosehill nr Cantley. My sons attended secondary school on Cantley Lane until last year, so I have passed many times. I did look on google just in case there was another, but I recognised the route. I am going to the fhs again later this week so will keep you posted.
My route to the school took me through Blaxton, Branton, Cantley and Bessacarr. I live close to Hatfield, so these are all the places you mentioned in your earlier posts.
I learned today that the graves from St Georges were moved when a bypass was built in Doncaster. I don't know where they were moved to though. I have already looked at some burial records for 1839 there today, but they were too old and faded to read from the microfiche (or maybe they didn't copy easily).
Bye for now. Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
I have been in touch with the fhs again this morning. The information on the microfiche for St Georges couldn't be read (not by me anyway). I now know that the original documents are in the archives so when I go later this week, I will have a look.
MARLENE
When you decide to send the for marriage certificate of John Aspinall and Ann Dodgson, please let me know as I have some information that may help you.
Heather
I'd rather be scared to death than bored to death!!
A search for my Henry Stephenson in the old census records (spelled Stephenson .. or Stevenson) ... finds Henry and wife Mary at Doncaster in 1841 (he was down as a cow keeper) ... in 1851 ... it took me a while to find him, but he shows up at Hatfield / Reg District: Thorne / Sub reg. Dist.: Epworth (with wife Mary Ann .. son Thomas .. dau's Alice..Elizbth .. Harriet .. and sister in-law Elizabeth Hill) ... and then he is found at Branton from 1861 onward untill he died in 82. Henry's will ... leaves all his property to the dau's ... and Thomas is briefly mentioned ... a further search for Thomas (after 1882) I believe possibly finds him in the South Yorkshire Asylum ... where same Thomas died in 1913. I believe the house Henry had at Branton was taken over by his dau. Alice Toothill ( I have it that she died Jan 1921 at Branton) ... after his death. There is a small death notice for Henry in Doncaster Gazette 29 Dec 1882 issue.
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